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 | best newschool platform |
| | | | amiga one / pegasos |  | 49.2% | (625) |
|  | | sod off the new! oldschool forever! | | 13.0% | (165) |
| | | mobile phones / pda | | 10.0% | (127) |
| | | xbox / gamecube / ps2 | | 10.0% | (127) |
| | | its against my religion to answer. | | 7.4% | (94) |
| | | gba couz they pling! | | 6.6% | (84) |
| | | TI calculators | | 3.8% | (48) |
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| | i'm profoundly stirred about these answer possibilities. i'd like to answer "sod off the new!", however, the oldschool stinks! especially considering the fact that nearly all (newschool) demos produced right now are made for pc, i find it really disturbing that this magnificient platform is missing on the list! i must say i'm grateful for y'all including option 6, though. | | |
| xbox / gamecube (ps2.0)
^^ shouldn't that be xbox / gamecube / ps2
or do you mean pixel shader 2.0 as a platform?[Post edited by jar on Friday 9 January 2004 - 15:31] | | |
| any pixel shader 2.0 technology indeed.
playstations arent really that new.. but well neither are TI's.. but they are a not so common platform so i added those anyways..[Post edited by psenough on Saturday 10 January 2004 - 6:34] | | |
| Now, what have the Xbox and the Gamecube in common with Pixelshaders 2.0 ? Neither of them support this technology at all!
(Xbox has PS1.1, GC uses a quite strange mechanism that's almost like pixel shaders, but not quite) | | |
| the point was platforms that are aiming towards more advanced pixel shading..
but fine, lets just make that answer as a generic non-mobile home console thingie kind of an answer. :)[Post edited by psenough on Saturday 10 January 2004 - 22:57] | | |
| my feelings, as usual: we will slaughter them all!
and you guys have too much free time in your hands... just like me, writing this reply. :) | | |
| Are there even any gamecube stuff out there?
I mean are the non-licensed GC dev0rs even beyond getting a rotating 3d cube on the screen? | | |
| Oldskool is here to stay!
With xbox it's not really a challenge anymore... | | |
| Amen to that, brother!!!
Ofcourse there still is a challenge. But not the kind of challenge which made the demoscene great.
I was just reading some old BP 2003 comments on pouet.net, about some realtime raytracing demo, and almost everyone was complaing because it could just as easily been done with hardware acceleration. That's todays mentality. Ofcourse this is a stupid mentality because my answer to them is "it's even more easy to do it with an animation". It's all about design nowadays and that degrades demos to animations. I want the hardcore code back, and therefore my answer to this poll is "The best newskool (pc) platform is the IBM PC!!! (now there's a challenge)" | | |
| Funny. That raytracer demo would've been cool, if it wouldn't need the same renderfarm as a Pixar movie to run above 20FPS.
And besides, it most likely uses MMX which is a horrendous new technology and it's not oldskool, 'coz it's not in the 486.
People complain about that demo for a reason , mainly because it's slow and it looks blocky as hell. Of course some people like that (I have a weak spot for software rendering as well, but still...), but then again, if I want to look it cool and fast, then I better SHOULD use the possibilities in the PC, here meaning the hardware acceleration, which is somewhat mandatory nowadays.
The introducing of hardware accelerated 3D graphics simply raised the bar, or rather, inducted another class (whether it's lower or higher is completely your decision) for realtime graphics, and it's basically a matter of the aforementioned mentality whether you want to go "go with the flow" or stick to your trusted techniques. There is still a lot of unexploited areas of the subject and it would be really a waste just letting it slip away just because it's "not oldskool" and makes "polygon drawing way to easy" and/or "software rendering engines obsolete".
I consider it a necessary step of evolution, and I'm willing to use any new techniques available. | | |
| I have no problem at all with using the new technology (if it's done right), but I do have a problem with the "the result is all that counts" mentality of today as oposed to the "what matters is how it's done" mentality of the past.
In the past, coders would try to set new limits with their code and it was the musicians and graphicians task to "sell" the code. Today it's mostly the other way around, graphicians and designers come up with an idea and it's the coders task to somehow get the job done.
In the past, coders were always talking about tricks and ideas which would make new effects possible. Today, they are mostly talking about new video cards because "it has all these great new features which we could use". That has nothing do do with coding.
I got excited about the demoscene because I constantly asked myself "how the fuck did they do that?". In the past I had that feeling all the time, today it has become very, very rare. | | |
| First off, size limits still remain, 64k is still 64k, 4k is still 4k, and the "what the hell..."-factor still exists there.
Secondly, I still stick to my statement, that the current hardware is waiting to be fully exploited. There are a lot of tricks and techniques one can use, even on GeForce3-caliber cards, which I consider old. Think about how many demos used GeForce3 only features. Not much, eh? The resources are there, but only a few groups dared to try so far. | | |
| Pegasos II G4 & MorphOS is the best!
IBM support Pegasos PPC! | | |
| AmigaONE (rebadged Teron CX with dongle) is a antique, what supports a non existing OS and there is not even a usable web browser or office suite (also misses loads more normal everyday apps you would expect from something which is supposed to be out in 2001)
I wonder why a POS board which is associated with the con artists at Amiga Inc & Eyetech is even allowed to be on this poll.[Post edited by Glitterfan on Friday 16 January 2004 - 15:16] | | |
| | Ok, please tell me, which Amiga site(s) are linking to this poll? :-) [Post edited by sparcus on Saturday 17 January 2004 - 13:56] | | |
| >Ok, please tell me, which Amiga site(s) are linking to this poll? :-)
www.ann.lu (site of various platforms)
www.morphos-news.de (morphos related) | | |
| cant make up my mind if i should close the poll or spam it to mobiles-dev sites ;)
anyone has any ideas for a new poll? | | |
| how about a "how many demos do you watch in a month on average" ?
it'd be funny to see how many demo-addicts are around :) | | |
| Does 2-3 demos daily count as an addiction? :)
(I hope it does :) | | |
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